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  • #855657
    Unreal
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    There’s also a brief video clip of Ep 16 here, which isn’t on the Youtube platform with San Diego comics… [video]

    Close to all mediated conspiracy outlets appear to be intelligence operations – and these truther outlets merely imitate genuine Truther Layman Researchers (and fans) according to the demographic and sociological data State and Military intelligence dispose of. The Truther Content Creators and their guests are in reality just putting on a show – they perform..

    In the clip you have found (xileffilex) there is a small detail that show us how these individuals are all just actors.

    Why does Paul Herrmann pretend to smoke?

    THC 16 Greg Carlwood Bob Hansen Paul Herrmann
    Greg Carlwood, Bob Hansen and Paul Herrmann in the “home” studio for the recording of THC 16 – UFOs, Government Lies and The $5 Footlong

    For anyone that ever has taken on the habit of smoking, they will know this guy doesn’t inhale and just smoke for show. And why the accompanying beer bottle ? It must be for the same reason – these people pretend to drink and smoke as it both alikenes them to the general public, and encourages the public to smoke and drink.

    So in a nutshell, intelligence operatives often put on their act as false Conspiracy Contributing Followers and Truther Layman Researchers with common artefacts such as drinking, smoking, driving, family life and the lot. So beware of smoking, drinking truthers like Paul Herrmann – except that clown is smoked now*.

    *i’ve not detailed who is who between Herrmann & Hansen (HH) but they are of course both fake as f&ck..

    #855674

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Here’s Greg himself having a “smoke” -oh how liberal in new liberated oireland meeting the amusingly named TCG The Conspiracy Guys [lol! Just a hint of THC…]

    “If you listen to our show and you like it; you would fucking love his show”
    LOL!

    https://www.youtube.com/user/thoseconspiracyguys/videos

    Hill-arious. Whom do they get to chat to? Mark Devlin, David Icke… And around it goes. Yes, the same formula, using “comedians” to mislead the gullible youth.

    Here’s the TCG take on 9/11 but I haven’t had time to listen

    or to their Nikola Tesla laugh in [since they’re comedians]

    Nikola Tesla

    I gave Proud 2 be Profane ep 9 of Michael Joseph a listen [guest Greg Carlwood, linked earlier] and found a gem at 38 while they’re playing ‘hunt/don’t hunt the shill’
    GC: [40.00 onwards] “I tend mind my own business, I research my guests, I go hunting for guest, I do my conspiracy researcher talent scouting…I just kind of mind my own business…”
    So that’s how it’s done. LOL!

    What I notice with Greg’s own THC vids is that he doesn’t interact with his commenters on YouTube, unlike JLB

    TBC….

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    #855685
    matti
    matti
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    “Here’s Greg himself having a “smoke”…”

    He’s not smoking that thing! He’s doing a Bill Clinton. He’s not inhaling.

    He blows it straight back out or sucks in air. He specifically covers himself by declaring he did not bring ‘any in’. He does not give that Irish spliff the respect that any grass smoker I know would and then… he throws it away before it’s finished. Lol. The stoner can’t smoke.

    Re: https://www.youtube.com/user/thoseconspiracyguys/videos
    David Icke is beginning to look like a reptile himself.

    I dropped in and out of TCG 9/11 episode – only heard the usual troupes…

    #855686
    John le Bon
    John le Bon
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    @unreal: In what audiochats was the Tesla Hoax discussed prior to my work on the topic circa 2016? I am more than happy to give full credit to those who put out good work. If others put out Tesla Hoax work prior to myself, I would like to give them credit.

    My youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtL7oTHwA_iZhFZeAGVcqA

    #855687
    Unreal
    Unreal
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    Here’s Greg himself having a “smoke” -oh how liberal in new liberated oireland meeting the amusingly named TCG The Conspiracy Guys

    He’s not smoking that thing! He’s doing a Bill Clinton. He’s not inhaling.

    The video of Greg Carlwood together with Those Conspiracy Guys host Gordon “Gordo” Rochford very well illustrate how the many Truther Content Creators are just putting on an act using theatrics – which is pretty close to contempt of truth itself and their public.

    I found TCG host “Gordo” to look a lot like the un-inhaling “smoker” Paul Herrmann (post above) who seemed already close to Carlwood in the THC16 clip found by xileffilex (here). Regardless of the Gordo/Hermann lookalikeness – what i find interesting is that these two characters cannot be same because of their accent…

    As we now have both Carlwood and Hermann on video merely pretending to smoke – we know we deal with actors in a character that was invented for their role as future Truther Front Figures if they convince enough people. We’ll soon be able to watch those “Conspiracy Guys” tour the USA as their deceptive GoFundMe project is just dollars short of their $30.000 goal.

    Those Conspiracy Guys GoFundMe campaign

    ”   11th September 2014 ‘Those Conspiracy Guys’ was launched from a small kitchen table in a house in Dublin, with the mission to take publicly available information from the internet about conspiracy theories and tell the story of those theories as we saw it.
       The show grew through 6 seasons to a top 100 podcast in the US, UK and Ireland with over 400 hours of content and over 18 million downloads including over 100 episodes of conspiracy theory, true crime, sociological and psychological exploration, political analysis, discussions on the paranormal, anthropology, medical science, ancient civilisations, celebrity deaths and assassinations and a vast cavalcade of characters, both real and imaginary.   “


    As we can observe when analyzing various established and wannabe truthers, they are using acting methods for their roles and all come with fake hats, beany hats, beards, accents and biographies that are as shallow as the roles they play. This is not new, but we tend to not focus on the topics and Truther Content Creators that do not appeal to us, thus missing what their presence on the scene really means.

    Fake smoking, fake beards, covering beanies or baseball caps, false wives and life “anecdotes”, fake grocery store cashier positions, imaginary bullet factory jobs, fake accents, and surely a lot more – And then they claim to look for truth…

    Of course, Truther Content Creators all are very aware that the credibility of their fake public persona is essential in order to gain the confidence of the Conspiracy public – so they really work hard on their fake bio, disguise and trustworthy nature. And they do real undercover infiltration as they appear in front of the public in conferences and select venues – or just pretend to meet up with fans for the lower hanging fruits not yet accepted into the Truther Front Figure circles.

    (good to see @jlb following the “ridiculous” TCC thread. As for the references to specific FAC audiochats that mention Tesla as an actor promoting fake science, i would expect nothing less of the world’s leading skeptic than doing his own nobel research)

    #855688
    John le Bon
    John le Bon
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    (good to see @jlb following the “ridiculous” TCC thread. As for the references to specific FAC audiochats that mention Tesla as an actor promoting fake scence, i would expect nothing less of the worlds leading skeptic than doing his own nobel research)

    So, in other words, you’ve got nothing.

    Thought so.

    Keep the lulz coming. We all need some comic relief from time to time.

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 3 days ago by John le Bon John le Bon.

    My youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtL7oTHwA_iZhFZeAGVcqA

    #855690
    Unreal
    Unreal
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    So, in other words, you’ve got nothing.

    You are right – i got nothing to offer the worlds leading skeptic who should be perfectly capable of doing his own nobel/lebon research.

    It is symptomatic nevertheless to see you show up in this discussion on the Conspiracy Conspiracy and not contribute the slightest on the topic discussed – fake truthers – and in stead just preach your own cause & defending your “credibility”.

    Well, your self-centered interest and general (volontary) ignorance of the intelligence origin of conspiracy theorists show us why you’re on this scene and self-servingly intend to earn a following, defending your image as best you can all while reminding us how much a part of the TCC you really are.

    #855691
    John le Bon
    John le Bon
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    Unreal: ‘Other people did that research before you, JLB’

    JLB: ‘Cool, who?’

    Unreal: “I’m not telling, nyer nyer’


    Unreal: ‘There are boogeymen sent to spy on us, like JLB’

    [JLB reads the thread and responds]

    Unreal: ‘See, guys, I told you, proof!’


    Like I said, bro, keep it coming. 😆

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 3 days ago by John le Bon John le Bon.
    • This reply was modified 1 week, 3 days ago by John le Bon John le Bon.

    My youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOtL7oTHwA_iZhFZeAGVcqA

    #855701
    Unreal
    Unreal
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    (the curious part is how Tesla had already been questionned on air during FAK audiochats, and that there are few original ideas that exist anyhow.
    This “Muhammed Ali” type of marketing spouting “i’m the best, i’m the first” is quite low level and show how only popularity and new subscribers are the goal)


    From a footnote remark (above) about the un-originality of most ideas, Tesla as a fraud included – we now see sensationalism come into play together with misrepresentation and a general dumbing down attitude.

    As anyone would be aware of, misrepresentation as in lending words to my discourse that i never employ – is deceptive and derailing from the TCC discussion in this thread. And simple diversions as displayed above is of course what we would expect of someone who is aware he’s targeted by the TCC investigation in this forum topic.

    The fact Academia use similar techniques to Le Bon (ie Uscinski, Douglas, Aaronovitch) is nevertheless noteworthy as it shows a truly ambivalent attitude where conspiracy theorists are both “crazy” boogeyman believers, yet all great people when meeting up or paying for content online.

    At no point has it been suggested fake Truther Content Creators (TCC) or fake Truther Front Figures (TFF) represent any type of scare-inducing scenario or entity. Intellectual dishonesty is not a boogeyman, it is contrary to the self-preservation of our intellectual sanity.

    “Hubris is a dangerous overconfidence combined with arrogance”

    #855707
    matti
    matti
    Participant

    Unreal wrote: “Hubris is a dangerous overconfidence combined with arrogance”

    One sign of which is talking about yourself in the third person. Or maybe that’s an habitual remnant from running aliases… 😎

    This is why Ab says he doesn’t go with pay walls and paying subscribers, because then he would feel beholden to produce enough content every month, which leads to such strategies as hamster-wheeling. Then you are in the media game. You need content that brings in the subscribers and keeps them. Criticism can, from some quarters, cause genuine existential angst – as we can see.

    Unreal wrote: “It is symptomatic nevertheless to see you show up in this discussion on the Conspiracy Conspiracy and not contribute the slightest on the topic discussed – fake truthers – and in stead just preach your own cause & defending your “credibility”.

    Well, your self-centered interest and general (voluntary) ignorance of the intelligence origin of conspiracy theorists show us why you’re on this scene and self-servingly intend to earn a following, defending your image as best you can all while reminding us how much a part of the TCC you really are.”

    Tja, kind of nails it…

    And if it’s not true – better change something quickly because that’s how it looks.

    In the 60s and 70s music scene it was called ‘selling out’. The parallels to the music scene are numerous. One only needs a few TFFs, the rest literally ‘fake it ’til they make it’. Imitating those they want to be.

    You can do this too, says the system, just look at any of our living examples; take Jay Dyer. His best buddies at Hoax Busters didn’t have a problem with his endorsement of Trump or his continued appearances on ‘White Ice Radio’, (a joke I have from John Adams that was the only comment about Redice.) Now he is a professional author/podcaster/ talking head, copy him and get in the queue.

    If your theme is ‘in’ you will be invited onto the various platforms just like musicians with the songs they offer up. The History Hoax is the song that JlB sold on THC, which for most ordinary people is just as dismissably absurd as flat earth, ergo: not very threatening. I didn’t hear anything about NGH/ND in the first half, and if one is really into spreading the message, that’s where it should be.

    Disingenuous – that’s the word.

    I tend to give JLB the benefit of the doubt and youth but the comments above are so desperately disingenuous it is slightly embarrassing.

    As I said I wish any one who has decided to make ‘truther platforming’ their chosen career the very best of luck. They are going to need it because, just like the music scene, if you are in the scene but not in the loop you are probably being used… or being useful… and if you want to stay you will find yourself self censoring and taking on the themes that sell. But, eh, once on the circuit you’ll be a truther pop star.

    ‘Oh you pretty things… better make way for the Homo-superior’

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    #855716

    xileffilex
    Participant

    Oh you pretty things… better make way for the Homo-superior’

    Heeeer-loooow there…
    We’re sliding I know. However this is perhaps my favourite JLB comment, although I wish it had included my favourite word boogieman/men/woman/women/person//intersexboogie
    primary source

    answering a good observation
    “A common thread in your work is a perceivable disdain for your fellow seeker and its kinda unsavory”.

    Let the expert speak..

    Why do I refer to conspiracy-believers as conspiratards?

    Because I have dealt with them, personally and in large groups, for several years now, and they behave just like normies when their views are challenged: they get defensive, they attack you, and they refuse to reconsider their own position, even when it is demonstrated that they have no actual evidence for their position.

    I used to believe that these people could and would eventually improve their thinking, that all one needed to do was be patient and kind and eventually the believers would see that their opinions are not backed by evidence. I was wrong. It turns out that the vast majority of these people are actually incapable of thinking critically. They are parrots in human form.

    Why would I want to associate myself with such people? I arrive at my positions through research and thinking, these people simply parrot whatever sounds good to them in the moment. We are nothing alike.

    I can understand why you might find that ‘unsavory’, especially if you have not dealt with the conspiratards to the extent that I have.

    Actually, I was just starting to enjoy the recent TCG interview of “The original Conspiracy Guy David Icke with Gordo

    I’ve not listened to much of it, but David does address the right question right at the start – why do people think like they do? [from 6.50]
    I guess they don’t have time to go back to primary sources. Also, if they start to get curious they are led down the nearest rabbit hole by the online TCCs and TFFs.

    “What the hell is going on?” – D.I.
    Good general question.
    “We have to be humble enough…” – D.I. [c.f. JLB]

    It’s an interesting Conspiracy chat though. e.g. 25:50 et seq

    #855717

    xileffilex
    Participant
    #855735
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    ===
    TCC Spreadsheet Collection
    Individual Truther Outlet Analysis
    ===

    The TCC research is based on a macro analyses of the conspiracy scene in order to discern the scope of culture produced for this area alone (conspiracy theory).

    In order to quantify the effort made it is interesting to survey and compare the production of known Truther Content Creators and the network they rely upon for producing content, conduct research and raise debates and topics (or memes).

    The data i have collected hereunder is in detail statistics on a selection of outlets that interest me out of familiarity or current newsworthiness – this is a sample of the large conspiracy culture scene as described and recollected in the TCC spreadsheet* with 300+ radio and podcasts, 70+ conferences and 25+ media networks (available here).

    More detailed surveys of individual conspiracy content providers would offer a more nuanced report on the particular characteristics that define culture creation in the domain of Conspiracy Theory. Even so, a diversified sample of eight different Truther Content Creators do offer valuable information as to the nature and number of guests and experts, the material/topics proposed, the quantity of material and the program frequency.

    From the comparative analysis of the selected outlets hereunder – the typical Truther Content Creator is in activity for 7 years, producing 605 shows and interviewing 316 guests.

    In terms of yearly production, the typical TCC (or TFF) production would be 83 broadcasts with 44 different interviewees. Many conspiracy outlets do inform they are professional content creators, and the consequential average production is effectively best explained by an editorial staff and professional management team – despite the grassroots, hand-to-mouth nature some imply.

    ===

    Brian Staveley – Dose of Reality (DOR)
    127 shows, 69 guests (2011-2014, 2017-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/brian-staveley-DOR-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    Greg Carlwood, The Higherside Chats (THC)
    376 shows, 306 guests (2011-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/greg-carlwood-THC-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    Henrik Palmgren, Red Ice Radio (RIR)
    1.148 shows, 780 guests (2006-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/henrik-palmgren-RIR-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    James Corbett, Corbett Report Interviews (CRI)
    1.343 shows, 485 guests (2007-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/james-corbett-CRI-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    Jan Irvin, Gnostic Media Podcast* (GMP)
    391 shows, 197 guests (2008-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/jan-irvin-GMP-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    Jim Fetzer, The Real Deal (TRD)
    1.162 shows, 572 guests (2009-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/jim-fetzer-TRD-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    Ole Dammegard, Light On Conspiracies (LOC)
    37 shows, 36 guests (2017-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/ole-dammegard-LOC-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    Tim Kelley, Our Interesting Times (OIT)
    252 shows, 82 guests (2015-2018)
    http://allunreal.com/tcc/tim-kelley-OIT-spreadsheet.xls.zip

    ===

    More technically speaking, i have made an effort to make the excel spreadsheet as comprehensive as possible with a simple organization of Guest/Date/Content by individual year and in total.

    From the total list of shows (All Shows) another list is generated that contain every show and every individual participant (All Show All Guests). From this repetitive and long list comes the final list of guests (All Guests) that now contain an additional column with the number of appearances (x°) for each guest which lends to a finer analysis than in previous editions of the TCC excel spreadsheets.

    As i do favor the idea that form is a function in itself and should not be ignored, a distinct effort is made to make the spreadsheets practical, useful and easy to read. The layout is quite simple with fixed width columns, Calibri body text and a dd-mmm-iiii year format throughout.


    *the collection of TV and Video channels for the TCC macro analyses is also in progress (+70 entries) and as my knowledge and familiarity of this type of content is limited, more research and help is especially needed for this category

    *Gnostic Media has recently changed their name to ‘Logos Media’ and thus prove how Jan Irvin’s Trivium doesn’t always work for him personally (lol) – the mix of show names and “roundtable” monikers are many & confusing, all collected and grouped together in the above spreadsheet while still discernable (sort function) in the database.

    #855741
    Unreal
    Unreal
    Participant

    There is now an equally an article on The Conspiracy Conspiracy spreadsheets

    TCC spreadsheets (article)

    TCC spreadsheets

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