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UK citizens, 2LOL! And the German media is similarly not showing the slightest sign of being interested in the identities or fates of their missing “citizens” in this “disaster” following early narrative reports. The German Foreign Office wrote:
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Just feeling “responsible” to check the German fictims i found an interesting announcement by DER SPIEGEL (kind of the hoaxheadquarters of the german media scene).
Insgesamt hatten sich zum Zeitpunkt der Eruption am Montag 47 Touristen und Reiseführer auf der Insel in der Bay of Plenty etwa 50 Kilometer vor der Küste der neuseeländischen Nordinsel aufgehalten. Darunter waren vier Deutsche, die nach Angaben des Auswärtigen Amts in Berlin Verletzungen davontrugen.
https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/white-island-neuseeland-zahl-der-todesopfer-nach-vulkanausbruch-steigt-auf-18-a-1301373.html
(second paragraph from the end)In English (google):
At the time of the eruption on Monday, a total of 47 tourists and travel guides had been on the island in the Bay of Plenty about 50 kilometers off the coast of the North Island of New Zealand. Among them were four Germans who, according to the Federal Foreign Office, sustained injuries.
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I guess this means: nobody is going to ask for them anyway and it is easier to handle locally if the inexistent people have only been injured.
But lets wait
No doubt with healthy profits from the futures market, where 100 times as many “paper barrels” are bought and sold via derivative instruments, than ever exist, at any one point, in the supply chain.
Never thought of that but it is so obvious that the whole fuel stress – which is spreading in the german media also – has to do with the whole currency-oil-war stuff.
I would guess (although im really a total beginner in that field) that the Riad-Tehran-Astana-Block does not even have to produce more in order for it to appear as being in the chain.
That’s really insane…
I agree completeley with you that the research about the alleged victims is not closed because of the vicsim report.
If the vicsim report is a helpful source, it is because of the complete data it has, and the general conclusion that victims were faked.
The question which of the alleged victims were in fact real persons and how was their implementation in the psyop organized has only been raised by yourself, culto, and now myself (who is a greenhorn…)I believe it is important to follow this string of research in order to establish both:
-which of the alleged victims are fictitious entities
-which of them were or maybe still are real personsI read some of the discussion about the alleged english victims and will study them more, when trying to implement the info into the fakeopedia. For me it sounds unreasonable to dismiss all data that appear in the bureaucratic apparatus about a person (as Simon did, i think).
Back to Deborah Kobus just to clarify what i was trying to say.
I think based on the images we are allowed to suppose that this is a real person whose images from 20 years earlier were used for the construction of the persona DK.
But this is really only speculation and goes more into the field of “how do they construct the network that supports the alleged victim”.I am entertaining the possibility that there are more than two options for the questions surrounding the construction of the alleged victims.
That is is not “they are complete fabrications” (aka Vicsim Report) or “real people” simply disappeared / relocated.
The relationsships of the people presented as “her brother”, etc. are nowhere established besides in the media reports that say so, or on stasibook.
Yes, i believe that the support of only one of the alleged victims based on the hypothesis of real person data, would need a whole network of support, prepared long before.
Consequently i think that there are two holes also ..:)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11722703/deborah-a.-kobus#view-photo=2092272
The FindAGrave photo of “Deborah Kobus” looks also like a polaroid techinque photo maybe early 70’s.
The real person represented by all three photos can not have been born in 1964.
There are two images of “Deborah Kobus” then:
1 The above posted by mrs. pollachak in 2016 (?), allegedly made in 1999.
2 The image published on the cnn memorial websitehttp://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/4245.html
I would say both images represent the same real person. We do not know the real name of that person though.
Both images look to me as made by the technique of photography and most possible by analog photo technique.
Photo 1 looks like a photo made by polaroid, possibly mid 70’s, digitally manipulated.
Photo 2 looks like a photo made clearly by polaroid, possibly early 70’s, digitally manipulated light, contrast, etc.
The person respresented could be at the time of photo 1 around 25 years old; she could be at the time of photo 2 around 30. She could be at the time of 9/11 around 50-60 or more.
If you find a free moment, please have a look at the newly created form to integrate the research about fictims of 9/11 in the Fakeopedia.
Deborah Kobus is the first such page i created and it is not a definitive form the whole thing has. I would appreciate feedback, critic, ideas for making it better.
Agree completely with your take, Xile.
We got some new interesting attemps here to rise the psyop scriptwriting to literacy level:
-traveling and walking aroung sims
-working cctv in the uk
-sims having aliasesAlways look at the bright side of life..turum turumturumturm…
What’s this? I thought they organised these “state funerals” rather too quickly, even before they’ve agreed a number of “dead”
Victims’ families shun state funeralItalian drama hoax management 🙂
Phantastic, Xile, was waiting for your insights to that story. Will take it over to fakeopedia shortly.
Dear Seneca
I answered you on the faekopedia, here is the link.
http://fakeologist.com/fakeopedia/index.php/Category_talk:Grande_narrativesKind regards
Dear Seneca
Actually I can not know what it means that you have not written for a while. In my understanding you were working on the “Mission Statement” and the Lists.I do not want to stress you or such, just have to manage my time and am therefore continuing the work.
There are some new pages and also the categorization of psyops and events in reference to the grande narrative to which they belong, discussion needed
http://fakeologist.com/fakeopedia/index.php/Category:Grande_narratives
Hope to hear from you
F.Thanks Xile, oversaw it.
Agree with you that it is a very very limited hangout. I remember in the last turbulent german elections there were reports that all parties had hired thousands of temporary facebook-workers to propagate and get involved in debates online.
I guess what the military can do, can be done by private contractors even better. Less buerocracy, flexible working crafts, bad salaries.
The stuff with gchq an snowden I always categorized as necessary publications in a spectacular way for media benefit.
The link to non-kinetic forms of warfare does not work.
Still interesting term, if they said stationary forms of warfare it would trigger unpleasant associations.I ordered the book you mention
Propaganda, Power and Persuasion: From World War I to Wikileaks
Tauris, NY 2014Read more: http://fakeologist.com/forums/topic/the-77th-brigade-psy-op-unit/#ixzz5HZqgbH9z
Will come back after reading it to hopefully discuss about it.
Dear Seneca, thanks for your answer, glad that you are fine :).
Well, of course it is possible to do every discussion here on the forum but this form does not allow real discussion and common research on terms, contents, etc.
I understand though the difficulties you mentioned. So, let’s try it in written form and maybe we can later switch again to audio for longer discussions or such.
For your info:
I created already the sublists we had decided in our last discussion. So when you are finished with your review and update, please try to integrate the data directly into the lists.
If it is too much work and you need to share it, contact me here or on discord or search another person that would like to help.
Best greetings
FayeThe latest discussion of June 1. 2018 can be listened to here:
http://fakeologist.com/blog/2018/06/02/fac470-faye-phil-blanks/
State of things:
1. Mission Statement: Open (Seneca works on it)
2. Lists of psyOp
- Main list – ongoing
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Sublist: Nuke Hoax – ongoing
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Sublist: Plane crashes – ongoing
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Sublist: Space fakery – ongoing
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Sublist: DCP – created, ongoing
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NEW: Sublist: Technology – to be created
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NEW: Sublist: Various – to be created
3. Restructuring of columns in the main list of psyops – Open
4. Zal rule – Open
5. Template for psyop pages – created, ongoing
Next Fakeopedia discussion:
Friday, 8. June 2018, 21:00 Cairo Standard Time
The latest discussion can be listened to here:
http://fakeologist.com/blog/2018/05/21/fac468-faye-seneca/
State of things:
1 Mission Statement: Not yet discussed, Seneca works on the text
2 List of PsyOps: We discussed the draft_V1 (link above) and decided to go on with:
-Main list
-Sublist: Nuke Hoax
-Sublist: Plane crashes
-Sublist: Space fakery
-NEW: Sublist: DCP
-NEW: Sublist: Technology
-NEW: Sublist: Various
Seneca is reviewing the entries and preparing draft_V2.
3 To add a column to the list of psyops (Seneca) – Open
4 Zal rule – Open
5 Template for psyop pages: Standard chapters, etc. – Open
Proposal for the next discussion:
Thursday, 31.05.18 – 2100 Brussels Time / 1900 GMT
Friday, 01.06.18 – 2100 Brussels Time / 1900 GMT
Saturday, 02.06.18 – 2100 Brussels Time / 1900 GMT24.05.2018/Faye
The discussion of Friday, 18.05.18 can be listened to here:
http://fakeologist.com/blog/2018/05/19/fac467-fayedavej/
Seneca, DaveJ and Faye talked only about the topic of creating sublists to the main list of psyops.
Here is now the link to the separated lists as a basis for further discussion:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wxMr_spQNkTO2YCPCUghVleBFzRS_frv8cUqqv3Vtdw/edit?usp=sharing
Next discussion is Sunday, 20.05.2018 – 21:00 Brussels Standard Time / 19:00 GMT
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