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Les Dawson line…lol! He probably wrote the script.
In 2018, Janice was mourning the alleged passing of a US Eurobrokers colleague, her “personnel director”, another 9/11 “survivor” and keeper of the secret, into the grave in this case: Eileen McMahon 1947-2018Since Janice, like some other old 9/11-ians, had only just been recruited, obviously by Eileen.
I went back to my apartment and decided that I needed a plan.
After I got through, I had been leaving messages for Eileen McMahon; the Euro Brokers New York Personnel Director, and finally she called me. She had heard my messages, so knew that I was safe, but had trouble getting through to me.
The train she was on had been terminated at City Hall, and she had come up onto the street about ten minutes before the plane hit our building.
After walking for over an hour she eventually found a Queens bound bus, which took her almost to the top of her road.
I can’t remember if she invited me, or I invited myself…but a plan was hatched that I would make my way to her place if the power did not come back on in my apartment…..[part of Janice’s rambling story which she hawks around]
Janice Brooks 18 March 2018
The only way that I can get any peace with this is to think that, after St. Peter says Hello, there will be 61 others rushing to greet her at the Pearly Gates. ??????Janice is also 61 now.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-who-survived-911-terror-24920474suuuuure, all 61 of the Eurobrokers “dead”.
Another strange twist relating to a 9/11 “survivor” from the UK whom I’ve also covered above, Michael / Mike Shillaker.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140710070553/http://letsrollforums.com/9-11-stand-actors-t22631p6.html
who “felt he had to convey his thoughts” straight after 9/11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_terror/eyewitness/3.stmMike had to leave Credit Suisse in 2019, allegedly after a bout of the Brendan Coxes
https://www.efinancialcareers.co.uk/news/2019/02/senior-equity-researcher-left-credit-suisseA London-based veteran equity researcher has left Credit Suisse.
Michael Shillaker, a managing director and the head of steel and mining research, officially departed the Swiss bank after a little over 14 years this January. Shillaker doesn’t appear to have a new role to go to and says he’s “exploring all options” on his LinkedIn profile.
A 1992 graduate from Southampton University, Shillaker was the head of global steel research at UBS for three years, before joining CS in 2004. Someone of his name was visiting a client on the 72nd floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center when the plane struck ** …..Neither Credit Suisse nor Shillaker himself responded to a request to comment on Shillaker’s departure.
** strange way to phrase it! As if…
And here’s the alleged reason
Amy Walker’s War on Credit Suisse and a System of Entitled Indifference
For more than a decade Amy Walker, a research analyst in London, has been waging a ceaseless battle for justice in connection with what she alleges was a sexual assault by her colleague at Credit Suisse.
Ever since Walker filed claims about her being drugged and groped at a barroom without her consent in 2010, she has fought police incompetence, years of indifference from her employer and Wall Street’s culture of silence about bad behavior.
Most of all, Walker has fought to hold Michael Shillaker, the man who groped her, accountable for his actions. (Walker is unsure, though, who drugged her.)
Shillaker, previously an influential managing director in Credit Suisse’s European equity research department, has said the groping incident happened but insisted that Walker was a willing, consensual participant, and prosecutors twice declined to take the matter to trial…..she pressed Credit Suisse to revisit its 2010 investigation, and the bank ultimately fired Shillaker. But later that year after Shillaker brought his case to a Spanish court, he won back pay and clearance to work at other banking firms.
Hmmmm
Perhaps a lifetime actor. A nice earner for m’learned friends to keep the courts busy with fake events. A very racy story, perhaps a bit too racy to be credible.
Here’s the legal letter, helpfully laying out the storyClick to access MS-Lawyer-Letter-2010.pdf
Where’s Mike now on the 20th anniversary? Perhaps retired aged 49.
xileffilexParticipantWhat happened to another unlikely UK survivor?
Janice Brooks from Brentwood, Essex, UKHer story is here from 2002:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-136382/9-11–Survivors-Twin-Towers.htmland wheeled out again for the 10th anniversary:
And as I suspected, Janice Brooks, UK “survivor” has been wheeled out for the 20th anniversary with a well rehearsed story. Sky News Audio here…36 mins
https://news.sky.com/story/9-11-anniversary-i-can-still-hear-the-screams-the-british-woman-who-escaped-from-the-84th-floor-of-the-south-tower-12399627August 16, 2021 at 2:15 am in reply to: Isla Vista Drive-By Shootings Santa Barbara 23/5/2014 #1993946xileffilexParticipantThe Misogynist-terrorist theme given an airing in the very recent Plymouth UK shooting hoax, 12 August 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_shooting
https://news.sky.com/story/plymouth-shooting-devon-and-cornwall-police-to-be-investigated-over-jake-devisons-shotgun-licence-12380872….and a ‘unique opportunity’ to reheat and update this 2018 BBC article in the wake of the Toronto Van Attack hoax ‘perpetrated’ by ‘incel’ Alek Minassian in April 2018
Plymouth shooting: Inside the dark world of ‘incels’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44053828https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43892189
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xileffilexParticipantPerhaps the origin of the “wrong engine shutdown” crash psy-ops
Fate is the Hunter, 1964 [film]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter_(film)
Great plot – coffee spilled over the controls caused a radio failure and a false fire warning in the remaining working engine.
This wrong engine trope was used at Kegworth UK in 1989 [see aposts above and in the Trans Asia crash in Taiwan in 2014 which outed Jeff C.
Were the controllers really trying to wean us off flying back then?
xileffilexParticipantMonbelly also was subject to a kind of disaster victim identification process at “Holocaust.org” The Waco Holocause Electronic Museum founded 1996 to keep the lie alive.
http://www.holocausts.org/waco/death/reports/county-list.html
http://www.holocausts.org/waco/Where are the survivors now?
https://decider.com/2020/04/27/waco-netflix-branch-davidian-survivors-where-are-they-now/[UK citizens at the time in bold]
Out of the nine survivors who escaped the fire, David Thibodeau has been the most open about his time with the cult. As mentioned before, he wrote a book about his time with the Branch Davidians and worked as a consultant on the miniseries.
The other survivors of the Branch Davidians were Renos Avraam, Jaime Castillo, Graeme Craddock, Clive Doyle, Misty Ferguson, Derek Lloyd Lovelock, Ruth Ellen Ottoman Riddle, and Marjorie Thomas. Of the eight, Avraam, Castillo, and Craddock all served prison time due to what they did with the Branch Davidians. The remainder of the survivors have largely kept to themselves and have maintained peaceful lives.BBC Live October 31 2018 Waco cult: How David Koresh persuaded 30 Britons to join
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46039014It’s understood that David Koresh came to England around 1988 along with his trusted lieutenant – a man called Steve Schneider….
allegedly giving talks at Newbold College in Bracknell, England
https://www.newbold.ac.uk/about/
“understood” is spook talk.
Gail Monbelly, elder sister of Allison/Aliceson/Bernadette, appeared in the podcast accompanying the above article.According to this list of biographies
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1993/04/25/in-the-end-cult-members-had-one-thing-in-common-koresh/RENOS AVRAAM, 29, ran a Manchester computer business with his girlfriend, Alison Bernadette Monbelly, 31. Joined the cult a year ago. He survived the fire and is in custody; she is presumed dead.
Stretford memorial Manchester
Testimonies
Marjorie Thomas
https://www.cesnur.org/testi/waco90.htm”You could hear the flames really roaring, things popping. It was noisy.”
Thomas jumped from a window and was one of nine cult members who survived the end of the 51-day standoff in 1993, although she suffered third-degree burns over half of her body. Eighty others died….”I could feel the jacket I was wearing melting, and I was finding it difficult to move myself,” she said. ”I thought it’s either I live or die. I put my hand on my head and leaned on the window, and I was out of the building.’Apparently an inquest on UK vicsims was held in Manchester to give the legal profession their usual drink from these psy-ops, allowing the official narrative to be restated….
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/koresh-led-his-cult-children-to-death-led-his-children-to-death-1569755.htmlInterviewed in her hospital bed, where she was suffering from 51 per cent burns, she said that Koresh, 33, had ordered that if he died from a gunshot wound received in an initial raid by federal agents on the ranch, his followers would place him on a stretcher and carry it out of the compound.
not 50 per cent burns….
LA Times Feb 15 1994
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-02-15-mn-23083-story.htmlMarjorie Thomas, whose testimony was played Monday at the federal murder-conspiracy trial of 11 followers of David Koresh, was granted immunity from prosecution…..As her clothes and gas mask melted onto her, Thomas said, she fell to the floor.
“I could feel my legs moving furiously,” Thomas said. ” . . . I don’t know where I got the strength from, but I managed to get up . . . . I made my way towards the light.” Despite her fear of heights, she said, she jumped from an upper story.
Prosecutors say the fire was part of a mass suicide pact.
Thomas, a former Seventh-Day Adventist from Britain, was burned over 51% of her body and testified by videotape because of her injuries.
An indispensable star witness.
xileffilexParticipantHere’s the BBC’s own special disinformation expert, Marianna Spring in action on twitter
Not wearing a mask has become an emblem of the COVID conspiracy movement.
I spoke to @DrMatthewSweet about its symbolism and how anti-mask groups are gateway into more extreme beliefs.
I’m reporting on how this online movement has evolved – and its future. Get in touch! pic.twitter.com/GdmnuwnG2g
— Marianna Spring (@mariannaspring) June 18, 2021
Not wearing a mask has become an emblem of the COVID conspiracy movement.
I spoke to @DrMatthewSweet about its symbolism and how anti-mask groups are gateway into more extreme beliefs.
I’m reporting on how this online movement has evolved – and its future. Get in touch!
June 18 2021
A bare face is a sign you are a crazee conspiracee nutjob. Or perhaps indicates you don’t buy any of this control experiment nonsense. SMH.
xileffilexParticipantYes, it’s a good ‘un. The worst UK air “crash” [excluding the Lockerbie staged event]
There is no evidence that there were brothers Paul [9] and Trevor [13] Burke in the area in 1972, or indeed anywhere. Key witness Trevor has never shown up in the media since.The following video shows an “expert” explaining how the plane managed not to knock out high voltage power lines almost above the crash site – reason being, it just pancaked into a tiny area [lol!] in a Shanksville style descent but with more wreckage present.
Allegedly the plane stalled… suuuure it did [not that it had ever been in the air]
A pathologist, safe pair of hands as ever in these hoaxes, produced an additional narrative, viz. the experienced if somewhat irascible and volatile pilot “could have” suffered a heart attack shortly before the take-off. No doubt caused by that alleged blow-up between him and a striking pilot in an industrial dispute. [from 7:50 here]
Lesson learned from this “crash” – cockpit voice recorders will become “mandatory” after this event in which there was no cvr present.
xileffilexParticipanthi flx …….do you have , or, could you take the time , to share any of your expertise ,on the ” plane crash ” in staines in the early 70s ……VD
I did briefly here but it’s always good to have a deeper [sky] dive…
A couple more videos
this one
is a recreation, complete with “eyewitness” Frances Castledine [now MBE] “I heard a very loud thump” suuuure. then she dumps her baby with a neighbour and rushes off to look for survivors. “The vapour was very heavy in the air”. Baby or help. Answer – help. “I did my best, I manipulated his legs…he soon dies” **More detail here – a detailed recapitulation of here story in 2015
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/nurse-trident-crash-staines-1972-9561145The now 74-year-old still lives in the same Birch Green house as of 43 years ago when two brothers, Trevor and Paul Burke, knocked on her front door to tell her they had seen a plane crash behind her house on that fateful afternoon of Sunday June 18…The former Ashford Hospital accident and emergency nurse of six years would jump over a six foot wall in order to make her way to the crash site to help any of those on board who may have survived….
** Irish businessman Melville Miller b 1917 Managing director of Rowntree Mackintosh….
From the Irish Times, 1997
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/1972-staines-air-crash-recalled-1.82881IRELAND’S entry to the EEC, as it was then called, was marred by the deaths of 12 of Ireland’s most prominent businessmen, who died in the Staines air disaster 25 years ago today.
The party was on its way to Brussels for discussions at the EEC headquarters following the passing of the referendum allowing Ireland to join the Community. Ireland acceded to membership the following year…..Those who died were: Mr Melville Miller, managing director of Rowntree-Mackintosh; Mr C.A. Smith, president of the Confederation of Irish Industry; Mr E.J. Gray, director-general of the CII; Mr Hugh Kilfeather, Coras Trachtala; Mr Michael Rigby-Jones, Irish Ropes Ltd; Mr Michael Sweetman, Irish Council for the European Movement; Mr Guy Jackson, Arthur Guinness; Mr E.A. Coleman, Irish Steel Holdings; Mr M.W. O’Reilly, Dublin Chamber of Commerce; Mr O.M. Lochrin, vice-president of the Association of Chambers of Commerce of Ireland; Mr F.M. Mooney; and Mr Ivan Webb, chairman of the Council of the Federated Union of Employers and managing director of G.T. Crampton.
Mr Miller was the only person to be taken alive from the aircraft, but he died later in hospital. He was a former advertising manager of The Irish Times
just fancy that.
Make sure the tail is identifiable in the “crash scene”
It’s always good to repeat the story to make sure the narrative is rammed home…here again in 2020
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/staines-trident-heathrow-crash-1972-9477333The flight had been delayed by more than 20 minutes on that fateful Sunday from its scheduled take-off of 3.45pm, due to a readjustment of its load.
Among the crew, who had been on standby, were 51-year-old Captain Stanley Key, 24-year-old Second Officer (SO) Simon Ticehurst and 22-year-old SO Jeremy Keighley.
Teenager Trevor Burke, who was walking along a nearby footpath, would witness the crash opposite the King George VI Reservoir.
The then 13-year-old ran a quarter-of-a-mile to alert Frances Castledine, a former nursing sister at Ashford Hospital, who was one of the first people on the scene.
not a lot going on a the firefighters’ drill
Verdict – abject hoax.
PS – comment below one of the videos
Golf Man
9 months ago
I was 16yrs.old when this happened, after our normal days work my father and other work mates worked 5-6 hrs. to help out at the funeral directors, we had to take the bodies to different floors as they came in from the crash site, not everyone could cope with it. We was only needed for 5 days, as normal staff numbers would not have been able to cope with the 115 dead.suuuuure
xileffilexParticipantRae
He doesn’t upload anywhere now, all platforms are controlled [not Fakeotube though] according to Paul. He’s probably not far off the truth. Still hard at it, though –
https://twitter.com/Pavlos80322302/status/1380112996953956352xileffilexParticipantWell I never – it seems that someone in the UK read Miles Mathis’ recent paper on the Estonia hoax and SUBMITITED A FOI REQUEST TO THE UK GOVERNMENT!
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ms_estonia
from Graham Phillips who allegedly isa British journalist working on a new documentary about the MS Estonia
Well, we’re all journalists aren’t we?
Graham notes that the non-exploration agreement
The agreement was signed by Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Denmark, Russia and, strangely, Britain
Graham notes the mysterious, uncelebrated death of UK citizen JW Manning and the “survivor” P Barney – and that there were citizens from 17 countries recruited for this event, therefore the UK is not a special case.
The request:
Please can you confirm for me, did the UK really sign this 1995 Estonia Agreement, and if so, then why, as the UK has no obvious connection to this matter / situation.
My own suggestion is that the UK, and London in particular is the centre of shipping insurance and the “names” of Lloyds would need to be kept in the dark over the identity or state of what is allegedl to be lying at the bottom of the Baltic.
xileffilexParticipantReturning to the sinking of The Estonia in 1994, as discussed above, in March 2021 Miles Mathis has put out an excellent dive [sic] into the official story and has reached the conclusion that it was one big psy-op, perhaps for insurance reasons, involving possible switched identities [where haas that been posited before?]
Among the many ludicrous statements which the MSM takes at face value, Miles mentions this one…
Another clue is that 757 bodies are unaccounted for and are assumed to have gone down with the ship.
Over 86% of those onboard allegedly died, and 77% were never found. That is impossible to believe…Yes indeed.
And of course the wreck is off-limits to investigation in perpetuity.
xileffilexParticipantBus crashes seem to have taken a back seat in the big top of the Circus Corona. But the effect was the same on a smaller scale – keep the population glued to the news/TV, “resilience” training drills for the same agencies which will be imprisoning us soon, keeping us scared of travel before the bigger covaids scare, keeping the legal and medical industries in business, recycling people through the witness protection programme, the creation of the “hero” cult to worship..perhaps a nice earner for transport businesses in legal or financial trouble. Who knows? With lots of non-disclosure orders handed out like confetti I guess.
Here’s a bit more on one of the above “crashes” when it was first reported in 2013
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-man-survives-french-alps-crash-but-breaks-his-back-in-escape-from-burning-coach-8579535.htmlAll your favourite themes and memes are there.
Here’s the long narrative put into the public domain by the spooks.. more usually done on twitter or facebook these days.[Edward Jack Billen] said: “I was sitting in about the fourth or fifth row from the back and was dozing off when people began screaming. It happened in a matter of five or ten seconds.
“As soon as the bus crashed it burst into flames, I looked for an escape door, but there was none near me. People were panicking, then my mate smashed the window, and that was when I fell.”
Mr Billen fractured three vertebrae in his back and has had stitches in his left hand, elbow and his right foot.
He said: “I was struggling to get out of the window, and I fell badly. I thought I had split my head open at first but the adrenaline just drove me to get away from the coach – it really gave me the chance to get away. The next thing I remember I was asking my friends if they were okay, then I passed out.”
When he woke up, Mr Billen was unable to move.
“The doctors said I will make a full recovery, but I am finding it very difficult to walk. I had no idea what I had done when I woke up. The adrenaline had gone and the pain kicked in and I thought I wouldn’t be able to walk again,” he said.
Mr Billen said he was “hugely grateful” that the driver made he decision to drive the coach into the mountainside.
[and “die” lol! A nice easily sealed off location, as usual]
He added: “He was a hero, and saved us. I met him the night before we began the journey. We all had a meal together at the resort where I was staying. We only said a few words to each other, but he seemed like a really nice guy. I wish I had spoken to him more now. It’s so sad.”
The driver Maurice Wrightson, 63, died in the horrific accident, and has been hailed a hero for swerving the vehicle into the side of the mountain.
Last week Miss [Catrin] Pugh, from Wrexham, who was the most severely injured of the 53 passengers, was put into a medically induced coma
Same with all crashes- trucks, planes, trains. Another variant on the “terrorist attack” drill.
xileffilexParticipantThe Johns Hopkins link was accidentally published without comment. This old forum software took exception to what I was posting for some reason.
This is the full post I wrote on the new forum. I hope that helps
****http://fakeologist.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27&p=846&hilit=johns+hopkins#p846****The point I was making [and wanted to make here] was that the controlled Guardian newspaper seems to have first hand information about what is happening in the UK via the Johns Hopkins University. Go figure.
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xileffilexParticipantething I had missed until now. What better way to make people believe that rockets were landing on London and the surrounding area yet had been leaving next to no discernable residue [apart from the odd scattered motor and the massive devastation]
In 1945, a V2 rocket allegedly captured whole in Northern France was brought back to London and mounted in Trafalgar Square. An ideal media stunt.
It was discussed in a couple of Reddit threads [surprised JLB hadn’t jumped on them]
V2 rocket on Trafalgar square in 1946
byu/vitoskito inDamnthatsinterestingV2 rocket on display in Trafalgar Square, London, showing what was hitting them, ca. 1945 [969×759] (colorized)
by inHistoryPornAs discussed also in the Mail, on the 70th anniversary of the start of the hoax, October 1942
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211558/Hitlers-lethal-weapon-Seventy-years-deadly-V-2-rocket-launched.htmlThe first V-2 to be fired at Britain landed at Chiswick, west London, killing a 63-year-old woman, a three-year-old girl and a member of the Royal Engineers on leave
Be very scared.
For reference there’s a whole tranche of V2 attack data here
From the website
In his book “Bolts from the Blue” subtitled “S.E. London and Kent under V2 Rocket Attack”, published in 1990, Lewis Blake writes about a deliberate government policy to deny the enemy any news of the V2 campaign especially in the first couple of months including any admission that there was such a campaign. This has led ultimately to a distinct lack of newspaper reports even after the campaign had finished, local newspapers never reported anything more than a selection of the worst incidents. With regard to this attack Lewis Blake states:With the exception of a V2 in fields at Tatsfield on 12 January an incident-free period of five days followed Adolphus Street. It was broken at 4.13pm, 14 January, at Panmure Road, Sydenham. Once again burning coals set fire to the debris of fallen houses. *** Rescuers tried to cut through a party wall to reach a trapped child endangered by the flames, but tragically the flames were fanned by a sudden gust of wind and the child was burned to death. 14 people died altogether, mostly at No’s. 4a, 9 and 6-14, and there were 80 injuries. Admiral Evans visited the site later and saw for himself how a row of houses had simply caved in from the rear where the rocket had fallen in the gardens.
i.e the usual big hole.*** suuuure
From a comment at Reddit…
It surprises me that the Germans diverted potential resources away from proven technologies like warplanes and tanks to pursue the uncertain development of these massive rockets. Each one of these single use weapons needed a jet engine, fuel and a payload. That is a lot of resources going into a shot-it-the-dark styled attack. Not to mention all of the rockets that failed on the launch pad.
and another
As a weapon it was utterly hopeless. Cost the Germans more than the Manhatten Project cost the US, and what they got for their money was a single use weapon that was incredibly delicate, cost as much as a medium bomber, and could deliver a single one ton warhead to within a few miles of a given target (maybe). The fact that it ran on liquid oxygen (which the Germans could only make in very small quantities) meant that even if they solved all the problems associated with its development it could never have amounted to more than a tiny fraction of the hellfire that was raining down on Germany on a regular basis.
The whole thing was so obviously stupid that British intelligence largely ignored early reports of a large range German rocket program.
Yes, it makes no military sense. A very clever hoax.
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xileffilexParticipantAnother event which I came across by accident – the Moby Prince “disaster” of 1991. I notice it was briefly mentioned at Cluesforum without investigation.
A brief inspection of the wordy Wikipedia page shouts out hoax
Previously 1968-1984 Konigin Juiliana, running out of Hook of Holland.MV Moby Prince, a ferry owned by Navigazione Arcipelago Maddalenino (NAVARMA) Lines collided with the oil tanker Agip Abruzzo, sparking an extensive fire that ravaged the ship. The only survivor of the crew and passengers of the ferry was a young ship’s boy, Alessio Bertrand from Naples. The other 140 on board were killed by the fire or toxic fumes.
suuuuure
Trial 1995-1997 [a nice 6 year earner for m’learned friends] and continued again in the late 2000s …and events around the relocation event were still ongoing into 2020!
https://firenze.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/11/14/news/disastro_moby_prince_tribunale_respinge_la_richiesta_danni_allo_stato-274399483/
when compensation claims were finally [perhaps…] disallowed, following a long campaign by
Associazione 10 Aprile-Familiari Vittime Moby Prince Onlus
but the show goes on…
https://www.mobyprince.it/news/The memorial
Old ship scuttled. #NDNDH
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xileffilexParticipantAre any air crashes real? Here’s another beauty from July 3 1968, Heathrow London.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Heathrow_BKS_Air_Transport_Airspeed_Ambassador_crash/
Arriving from Deauville…
https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19680703-0Six of the eight people on board the Ambassador were killed, along with the eight racehorses being transported on it. The crash was blamed on the failure of a flap-operating rod due to metal fatigue, resulting in asymmetrical lift.
The “six dead” included three of the five horse grooms
suuuure
TheThe [Airspeed] Ambassador[of BKS, the airline] cartwheeled following the impact and slid upside down coming up against the ground floor of the terminal building where there was an explosion.
Two people on the ground were allegedly injured, several ground aircraft were allegedly damaged **…the terminal was under construction [!] so, no passengers to get in the way of the drill.
**Of the two Trident aircraft, G-ARPT was damaged beyond economic repair and G-ARPI was subsequently repaired; it was later destroyed when it crashed on 18 June 1972 in what became known as the Staines Air Disaster.[2] A Viscount (G-APKF) received slight damage.[4] The Viscount was also repaired but was also later destroyed when it crashed at Phnom Penh Airport, Cambodia in March 1975 after being sold to Royal Air Lao as XW-TDN[5]
Fancy that, both damaged aircraft later crashed. LOL! Any more coincidences? Sure. The crashed plane, G-AMAD had a sister plane in the fleet named after the dead engineer in G-AMAD….Mr John.Cullen Moody, who is buried in Sutton Road Cemetery, Southend-on-Sea
https://web.archive.org/web/20121012001454/https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1968/1968%20-%201196.htmlAnd astonishingly [or perhaps not for staged events] we just happened to have someone from the other end of England taking cine film of this obscure horse transporter….
not a pane of glass was broken or scorched…
We also have “fuzzy”…
and another clip
Written account from Etta Montgomery (wife of Collis Montgomery):
“Collis Montgomery was killed in the BKS Heathrow London Air Crash with 5 mares and 3 foals flying from Deauville (London). Second flight that day. Horses valued at GPB 80,000. At 5.27pm on Wednesday the 3rd of July 1968.He went through 3 partitions in the tail of the plane, also the steel padded sound barrier – instantaneous.
8 men on board, 3 survived. The pilot, co-pilot and engineer burned, the plane broke in half. Fatigue – a piece of metal went in the left flap of the wing. 4 mares lay on the tarmac and bled to death. The horses piled up in the crash first and men were underneath, except for one whose foot went through the floor. Then the tail turned upside down and as he was hanging from the ceiling the nurse injected him to put him out of pain and thought he was going to be burned too. He came to in hospital and told the story of the inside of the plane, and told me when I saw the plane after the crash”.
hmmm too much detail there for my liking…
Warwick Bowen
1 year ago
My father witnessed the crash, he was working on the new terminal, just hearing the story now and we searched for it. One horse survived somehow according to Dad but was shot 1/2 hr later.
ClassicAviationTV
1 year ago
Film is reversed (mirrored), the original flight path taken was from right to left. Not Tims error its Movietone’s. There was colour footage of the same taken by a TV company from a high angle, possible on top of one the buildings. They were covering a VIP event but that seems to have been wipeddoes that look realistic at 0.25 speed?
or
A “once in a life-time” chance for an amateur cameraman. Oldham Shopkeeper Frank MillsLinda Pickford
4 months ago
My grandfather filmed this… It was in colour before the news took it too. My mum was there too abd my grandma Doris Mills. It was terrifying…So, we have colour film, allegedly reversed and turned into black and white.
There’s plenty of gatekeeping on one of the two version of the Movietone clip
Alice In Wonderland
2 years ago
Always nice to know the death of your great uncle has been uploaded for the world to see! Did you not think about the relatives of the stable boys that were killed in this accident when uploading this! So sad that my late nan can now watch her brothers death on YouTube ?? this is very upsetting for my family! RIP John Bunker….. never forgotten ?Brian Russell
1 year ago
My friend and I worked for Dan Air who did the ground handling at LGW for BKS. He did the ramp and I the load sheet and paperwork. Captain Hand came to our office prior to his leg to Douville. We joined him for a cigarette and a chat while the horses were loaded. I had problems understanding the trim wheel to calculate the tail setting and we all chatted on the flight deck – the first officer was a very friendly and helpful man. We waved off the aircraft. The routing for the flight was Douville then back to LHR. I went home and fell asleep in front of the TV and woke up to the news and video of the aircraft crashing. It was a terrible moment and one I have carried for all of these years – such an awful loss of life.The Binman
3 years ago
I saw G-AMAD on its final approach onto runway 28R (now 27R) that afternoon from East Sheen after school.
suuuuureStable lads would be very easy to relocate and reassign.
John C Moody m 1951 Betty Doreen Lucas . d. Michele L Moody b 1953 m David J Saunders [as Michelle] aged 17
Mrs Moody died aged 91 on 17 July 2016 48 years after the ‘crash’.
JC Cullen lived at 216 North Avenue Southend-on-Sea Administration Dec 18 1968 £9226
There is no trace of any Montgomery in connection with the ‘crash’. There are no available records of any names of grooms, horses or trainers involved – racing at Deauville is not for the low end of the horse racing industry.Did Frank [or Doris] Mills exist?
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xileffilexParticipantI guess the “taste of coronatvirus” is still lingering in the air in places…perhaps in Minnesota. Here’s one of the most egregious pieces of crisis acting for the MSM, Dec 6 2020
Cue Dr Shirlee Xie…and it wasn’t her first attempt…for Thanksgiving
Makes me soooo tearful. Must be real.xileffilexParticipantwife..
Christy Walton, Net Worth $24 Billion – Not only is this Jackson resident and Wal-Mart heiress the richest person in the Cowboy State, she’s also the wealthiest woman in the world
January 11 2016
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https://1063cowboycountry.com/the-five-richest-people-in-wyoming/There doesn’t seem to be any online reference to a funeral.
From Legacy.com
Joan Anzelmo, a spokeswoman for Grand Teton National Park, said rangers will investigate the crash, as is done with any major accident in the park.
** however, reported less than two months earlier…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-06/a-wal-mart-heir-is-27-billion-poorer-than-everyone-calculatedfilings, unsealed by a Wyoming court at Bloomberg News’s request, mean that Christy’s fortune as previously calculated has taken a big hit — from $32 billion before the court records were unsealed to about $5 billion now. She’s unlikely to ever again reach her former designation as America’s richest woman, which she held until last month.
But her loss is Lukas’s gain. Though little-known outside of a few scattered social media posts, he becomes the 103rd-richest person in the world, with about $11 billion — and as much as $25 billion if certain trusts are included, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.
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xileffilexParticipantJohn T Walton – Walmart heir – checks out, age 58, in a ‘plane crash’ in isolated Wyoming, less than two weeks before 7/7 in London…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._WaltonShortly before his death, Forbes magazine had estimated Walton’s net worth to be US$18.2 billion, tied with his brother Jim as the 4th richest person in the United States[9] and 11th-richest person in the world. [Jim is now up to 8th spot]
Walton was survived by his wife Christy and their son Lukas. He was previously married to Mary Ann Gunn, who later became a judge in Arkansas.
He was flying a CGS Hawk Arrow homemade aircraft
Let’s search for some pictures…
here’s the engine in high res.
https://www.sme.sk/cdata/2276199/20050628003_Walton_big.jpg
and the tangled heap of junk
https://www.sme.sk/cdata/2276199/20050628004_Walton_big.jpg
That’s about it. Convinced? No?
The usual NTSB cover-up here
Back in Arkansas, Aug 13 2006
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2006/aug/13/faults-found-in-plane-that-crashed-killing-heir/A report issued Friday by the National Transportation Safety Board didn’t identify what caused the crash of Walton’s CGS Aviation Hawk Arrow, but it did pinpoint problems – namely, the loose flight control component and multiple modifications.
The Walton family declined to comment on the report.
Before his fatal crash, Walton had a hard landing near Burwell, Neb., while flying the same plane to Jackson Hole from the East Coast. Walton had the plane trucked from Nebraska to Jackson, where he repaired the landing gear before his last flight. He also had removed the aircraft’s fabric skin, replaced its windshield and removed a cover from the wing area, the report said.
Chuck Slusarczyk, owner of CGS Aviation and designer of the Hawk Arrow, said the loose flight control component – known as a locking collar – or the modifications could have caused the crash.
“We never tested a Hawk Arrow in the configuration he was flying it,” Slusarczyk said.
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